“HOMESCHOOLED KIDS ARE NOT SOCIALIZED”, AND OTHER STUPID MYTHS

(Another guest post from my husband)

Actually, I won’t be discussing other stupid myths. The myth about “socialization” is stupid enough. It’s one which has been dealt with so often that I thought it was a dead issue. Yet, critics of homeschooling continue to beat this drum, and as long as they do so, it will require a response.

Critics of homeschooling fall generally into two camps: those who are simply ignorant and easily persuaded by the sophistry and constant drum-beating of anti-homeschoolers, and the anti-homeschoolers themselves. The former group, thankfully, can usually be educated about the facts. The latter, on the other hand, usually have an ideological prejudice (e.g., “it takes a village” collectivism) or a pecuniary or power interest that drives their bias against homeschooling (e.g., public educators, teachers’ unions, or those who trust in big-government power interests). Such anti-homeschoolers will not be convinced by the facts. They will not be convinced by propriety. They are driven by emotion and/or personal prejudice, and no amount of reason will change their mind. What follows will not alter their position.

Let’s get one thing out of the way. Homeschoolers, in general, outperform public-schooled students, which is why anti-homeschoolers cannot attack homeschooling on the issue of academics. Hence, they desperately seek something about which to complain. Like most criticisms against homeschooling, the “socialization” myth suffers from a host of false assumptions.

False Assumption #1 – “Homeschooled students don’t get to interact with others.”

While it’s likely that there are children out there that are sheltered from the outside world, such a condition would be the exception, not the rule (so if you were sheltered as a child, please don’t bother to offer anecdotes as if they are representative of the entire homeschool community). The fact is, homeschooled students interact with others on a normal basis.

False Assumption #2 – “It’s the public-school’s job to socialize children.”

What do the critics offer in support of this assumption? Nothing. In fact, such an assumption is likely ground in the abdication (or attempted usurpation) of parental authority and duty, which I covered in a previous post (See “The Village  School System“).

False Assumption #3 – “Socializing with others makes one well-socialized.”

There are two ways one might understand what it means to be “socialized”. The first simply has reference to socializing i.e., hobnobbing with others. The second understanding has to do with propriety, i.e., learning to behave in a mature and morally proper way among others. What’s important to note is that there is not an iota of evidence demonstrating that hobnobbing with others leads to mature behavior. Children are taught proper behavior from mature adults, not from hobnobbing with other immature children. Which leads us to…

False Assumption #4 – “The public-school properly socializes children.”

The evidence hardly supports such an assumption. Public-schooled children often act contrary to most every notion of a well-socialized, mature person. They often ditch school, cheat on their schoolwork, engage in narcissistic behavior, are slaves to peer-pressure, join gangs, use drugs, abuse alcohol, are promiscuous, behave disrespectfully toward authority, are cruel toward one another, etc., etc., with no indication that this behavior is any different by the time they graduate (and they often take this behavior with them to college, and even adulthood). What’s worse, the only models they have from which to learn are one another, i.e., it’s a case of the blind leading the blind. These children are away from the only authorities (i.e., their parents) capable of administering proper discipline. Note that I’m not suggesting homeschooled children are perfect, nor am I suggesting that all public-schooled children are little monsters, however, children are less likely to get into trouble if they’re not spending most of their day in an environment that encourages poor behavior. This is not a question about whose child is better than the other. This is a question about which environment is more conducive to producing a mature adult.

False Assumption #5 – “A public-school environment best prepares a child for the real world.”

Is there any one of you out there who works daily in an environment where everyone is the exact same age, and of the same level of experience about the world as yourself? Yeah, I didn’t think so. That’s because the public-school environment is nothing like the real world. Homeschooled children interact with people of all ages and are often out in the real world, learning at their own pace as individuals; while public-schooled children are stuck in a box all day with others their exact own age, secluded from the outside world, and are treated like a monolithic group of robots, expected to learn in the same way and at the same pace.

Other Criticisms – My wife sometimes informs me of blog posts she encounters, written by formerly homeschooled students who complain about having been homeschooled. Some of these children have legitimate complaints, but any such legitimate complaint never actually addresses the principle of homeschooling.

One such legitimate complaint had to do with a student whose parent tried the unschooling method, which failed to prepare the student for college. Unschooling is a method by which a student is essentially left to himself to learn out of curiosity or interests (I’m probably not describing it perfectly, but that’s the gist of it). While some people may have had success with this, I would have to say that no parent ought to assume that a child will learn by such a method. Also, note that this is not a criticism against the principle of homeschooling, but against a particular method of teaching (or lack thereof). One is not logically warranted in criticizing a principle because of a poor method.

Other criticisms I’ve encountered were from children who were abused or poorly raised. Because such children were also homeschooled, they erroneously conflate homeschooling with their parents’ poor parenting methods, blaming their childhood traumas on the principle of homeschooling.

There is also the criticism regarding “awkwardness”. This is a supremely banal criticism, but it’s emotionally persuasive to many who have suffered from awkward situations. Suffice it to say that everyone at one time or another will have awkward situations, none of which are in any way worse than the trials and tribulations one faces in public school (and many awkward experiences do occur in public school). To suggest that homeschooling is bad because one grows up to be the only person in the workplace who failed to “get the joke”, or because one finds it difficult to converse about trivial matters regarding pop-culture is hardly a convincing argument against homeschooling. The fact is, attending public school will in no way inoculate a person from encountering awkward situations in life.

I’ve also known of troubled (or anti-social) children who were pulled out of public school and then were homeschooled in hopes that being home would solve their behavior issues. When homeschooling failed to correct their problems, such children were then held up as examples of how homeschooling does’t work. But note that such children entered homeschooling as troubled students. Their problems were not the product of homeschooling.

Also, there are some who simply resented not having gone to public school, believing that they somehow “missed out”. The response to such persons would be the same as the response to those who resent being raised with a religious upbringing (which you can read in a previous post, “…And They Will Not Depart From It“).

Finally, there are those who hold the view that only those with academic credentials are capable of transmitting knowledge. Given that homeschooled students generally excel academically (usually better than their public-schooled counterparts who receive their education from professional pedagogues) this is a rather toothless criticism.

Conclusion – I already noted that anti-homeschoolers will not conform their position to the facts. Attempting to reason with such persons is futile. However, if you encounter someone who has simply been misled by the “socialization” myth, the former ought to provide you with something to offer them for consideration.

FG

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64 thoughts on ““HOMESCHOOLED KIDS ARE NOT SOCIALIZED”, AND OTHER STUPID MYTHS

  1. My son is ‘odd.’ I have had a few people attribute his oddity to the fact that we homeschool when, if they knew us better, they would discover that he was different LONG before he came home and is actually more able to handle varying social situations now than he was before… and I’m not getting calls from the principal or teacher every day! The socialization argument just needs to die. It’s sad that some folks simply can’t let go of their own prejudices to see to the core of the matter.

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  2. Some find my kids socially “0dd” because they like their sibling, respect their parents, can carry conversations with a variety of ages, are fairly quiet and well behaved, are not the obnoxious ‘typical’ teenager ( I hate that phrase, btw), etc…
    Love this post; very well stated!!

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    • Good point. Some erroneously equate “normal” with statistical regularity, when, in fact, “normal” is prescriptive, not descriptive. Therefore, expectations as to what counts as “socialized” will be heavily dependent on one’s worldview. This is also why, as I noted, those with an ideological or political bias will consider those children who do not tow the ideological line (with which public schools attempt to indoctrinate students) as “unsocialized”.

      FG

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  3. I got very frustrated with the socialization thing when I homeschooled my kids, too, particularly because they were fifty times more socially outgoing than I was as a publicly educated kid.

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    • That the thing: critics don’t take into account that children are individuals, not robots. Children do not need to be forced into a room with other kids in order to be social. Children will find a way to express themselves when they’re ready to do so.

      FG

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  4. Thanks for confirming and reasserting some important distinctions and issues about “socialization”. I just published a two part post recently on my blog sunnydelay72.wordpress.com- called “What about Socialization?”.

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  6. This is an excellent piece. I particularly liked false-assumption #3, and its connection to #4, which so accurately describes the difference between life as a homeschooler and in government schools. I have attended both and am very happy to have spent most of my time at home. Again, great work.

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  7. As a homeschooler and a former public school teacher, I can wholeheartedly agree with your position on socialization. Public school often provides a ‘survival of the fittest’ type of socialization. Because of time pressures to cover academics, socialization is rarely taught. Homeschool parents, however, can take the time to intentionally teach how to relate to others and why it is important to relate in that way.

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    • Your point about social-Darwinism is a good one. Many critics suggest, for example, that kids ought to learn how to deal with a school bully, or some such nonsense. First, schools do not “teach” children how to deal with a bully. Children who are bullied are left to fend for themselves, or else one of the school authorities (i.e., teacher, principal, etc.) must step in and deal with the issue. In neither case is a child “learning” how to deal with a bully; and note that critics never explain precisely how a child ought to deal with a bully. Should they bring a weapon to school and fight back? Should they hire a dozen students to jump the bully on the way home from school? Exactly how is a student to behave when cornered by a bully? Moreover, why should a student learn how to deal with a bully? What is there in the adult world that is analogous to a bully? I think those are called “criminals”, and we usually allow the authorities to deal with them, or we exercise our 1st Amendment right to fight back with a weapon if need be. It appears that being taught how to use a firearm will prepare one for dealing with criminals a lot more than going to public-school and getting beat up every day.

      FG

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  8. I certainly don’t think of myself as odd just because I’m homeschooled and would take no issue in respectfully challenging any adult who saw fit to throw a blanket criticism over my brother(s) for teaching me at home and my parents for encouraging it. Although I’ve only been homeschooled two years, the previous being spent at prep and boarding school (which I loved). I can attest that ‘socialisation’ comes in many forms, my own training having come from galas, social obligations, fundraising evenings, family time – I am just as comfortable around my parents’ friends who are MPs, politicians and CEOs as well as my brother’s friends from boarding school. Am I ‘awkward’ around other 14 year old girls who text and read fashion magazines? Yes, sir! Don’t know how to relate to that I’m afraid, nor do I desire to. That world will fade and pretty soon THEY will be awkward.

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    • Your last point was a very good one. Many of the “social” aspects of K-12 government schools are worse than useless in the real world of adults. That’s not to say that some adults do not engage in such things, but in no wise are such things necessary to lead a productive life as a mature adult.

      FG

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  9. Wonderful post! I get tired of the “what about socialization” questions. I was in public school my entire life and am very awkward in social situations. My children have been homeschooled from day one, and are very socially capable. Besides, if what is going on in the public schools is “proper socialization”, then I’m not sure I want my kids to be “socialized”.

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  10. Thank you for your article. As we are the only ones homeschooling in our family, we tend to get this socialising question a lot from relatives and family friends. Even the grandparents are worried that my daughter will be socially deprived. It’s not easy to convince them without being too brash.

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  11. Great post! I really like the well-thought-out points and may be passing this one along to some friends and family. We just finished our second year of homeschooling. One of my children is autistic, and many well-meaning people, especially family, questioned our decision to homeschool him. “How will he be socialized?” they wondered. “I mean, he already is really awkward in social situations.”
    They just don’t get that that is exactly why I homeschool him, as well as my other children. Why would I put him a place where he was made to feel awkward and out of place, over and over again? At home, he is allowed to be himself. He doesn’t have to try to be like any of his peers. I fully believe that his surge of interest in reading and other subjects was a result of taking him out of extremely uncomfortable social situations, like a classroom. Do I work with him on “social skills”? Absolutely – he does need to learn what things are appropriate to say and do in different situations. But this way he can learn these things without alienating himself from classmates due to his odd behavior.
    To be honest, it really was a personal struggle for me to take my kids out of school and decide to homeschool them myself. I studied to be a teacher and placed a lot of value in the classroom. However, during my entire time as a teacher before making the switch to homeschooling, I never thought that socialization was an asset acquired at school. The only “socialization” I saw was negative, detrimental behavior such as bullying, gossip, and ridiculous peer pressure. I was shocked that it would be such a concern to others when we decided to homeschool.

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    • You’re quite correct. Those critics who think “socialization” is necessary to avoid awkwardness seem to forget that a government-school setting is rife with awkward situations. If such critics were truly concerned about avoiding awkward situations, they would encourage everyone to homeschool.

      What’s really interesting is that such critics seem to place more importance on “socialization” than on academics. After all, the purpose of public-school is to get an academic education, not to teach children how to behave properly in society. Certainly the public-school ought to be enforcing those skills taught by the parent, but it is not their duty to be the primary instructor in such matters. What’s worse is that, rather than enforcing what is taught by parents, the public-school system often undermines parental authority (see my other post, “The Village School System“).

      It’s also interesting that those critics closest to you who raise the issue of socialization do not place the needs of your autistic child first. The public-school system hardly meets the needs of other students. One can hardly expect that they’ll do an adequate job of meeting the needs of students who require special attention. The best education your child will get is from you, the parent, one who loves him the most and has his best interests in mind.

      Your children are blessed to have you for a mom! Don’t let anyone tell you differently.

      FG

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  12. We occasionally are asked about “socialization” with our boys. I tend to be a tiny bit aggressive – “you mean learning how to be or deal with the lowest common denominator in an age segregated, artificial environment? Learning how to knuckle under to peer pressure?”

    It is surprising how quickly the socialization question can be turned around.

    Equally to the point, the broad spectrum of experience, not all with a single group of kids their own age my boys have means they have learned to deal with adults and novelty. They are unafraid to ask questions or express opinions.

    Far more often than we are asked about socialization we get “How old is he? (Which I try not to answer, my boys can speak for themselves.) or “Oh, they are home schooled. That explain it.”

    Which is fun.

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    • Yes, it’s hard not to be aggressive when you have to deal with such a stupid question. When challenged, it becomes clear rather quickly that those who raise the socialization issue have given little to no thought to the topic. Most such persons are simply regurgitating a banal criticism.

      FG

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  13. Where’s the “Love” button? I could only find the “Like” button :). I get so tired of the socialization question too…meanwhile, my kids are standing there wanting to talk to anyone and everyone. They get along with anyone, no matter what their age from baby to 90-year-olds at the nursing home.

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  14. Nice article till it had to go and ‘dis’ unschoolers. What a pointless ‘unschooling is just usually a bad idea’ attitude in an article about the errors of making the same sorts of assumptions about other homeschooling methods!

    Can unschooling be done badly? Sure… but homeschoolers *can* be unsocialized too and that does *not* make either one of those things ‘ok’ to promote as being the ‘norm’ for that educational method. Unschoolers who want to go to college can and do prepare for college *just fine*.

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    • Kristy,

      If you read the OP carefully, my comment implied that there are some which have had success with unschooling, so I wasn’t suggesting that it’s a formula for failure or any such thing. The reason I raised the issue of unschooling was because I was addressing the various criticisms against homeschooling which I’ve encountered, and one had to do with a student who found himself ill-prepared for college because he never received any academic instruction. This student chose to criticize homeschooling because of his unschooling experience, and my point was to observe that unschooling is not the norm in homeschooling.

      I’m also operating under the assumption that there are different degrees of unschooling. Given that assumption, I was only criticising the particular method of unschooling with which I’m familiar, which is one in which the child receives no academic instruction and is essentially left to themselves. If your type of unschooling is different, then my criticism is not aimed at your instruction method.

      Still, there are some who would essentially leave a child to fend for themselves, with respect to academic instruction. And if such a parent believes that unschooling is the best method for raising a child, then they will naturally disagree with my criticism. In such a case, I would simply agree to disagree. In fact, I may not agree that it’s the best way to educate a child, but I would still defend a parent’s right to do so.

      Finally, because my criticism against unschooling has to do with academic training, I don’t take it to be a moral issue (which is why I would defend a parent’s right to unschool). Where other forms of training are concerned (e.g., issues of propriety and how we are to treat others, i.e., “socialization”), I would argue that parents have a moral duty to instruct their children.

      Thank you for visiting and for your comment.

      FG

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      • Precisely… you assumed unschooling *successes* were the aboration and *failures* were the norm. That is not the case. Unschoolers let their children set (and often guide their children in setting) the goals in their lives and then give them the help they want to reach those goals. “Instruction” is not the only way to get the needed information for college any more than school is the only way to get socialization.

        Parents do not a have a moral obligation to ‘instruct’ their children. Parents have a moral obligation to help their children succeed in life by reaching their goals. Unschooling parents typically *do* help them do this, but the information and skills needed to reach their goals can often come from places other than formal instruction.

        There are some unschooling parents who may fail to help their child see what is needed to reach their goals just like there are homeschooling parents who may fail to give their children opportunities to socialize… but neither of these situations is the *norm*. You are critcizing an educational method you know far too little about to give a fair assessment.

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      • Kristy,

        For some reason you seem to be taking a defensive position, assuming things which I didn’t write. If you go back read both the OP and my last comment, I didn’t offer any conjecture as to the rate of success or failure of unschooling. I never assumed that failures were “the norm”, as you suggested. When I wrote the term, “some” (as in, “some have success with unschooling”), you seem to be taking that to represent some specific rate, which I never implied. “Some” is a quantitative term in a proposition which merely means “more than 0%, but less than 100%”. Any actual rate of success or failure is unimportant to the point I was making.

        And as I wrote previously, when I shared about the unschooled student whose parents failed to prepare him for college, I only shared that to address a criticism raised against homeschooling. But simply because I shared a criticism from an unschooled student, that anecdote didn’t represent a claim by myself that all unschooled children do, in fact, fail to prepare for college.

        You stated that “parents do not a have a moral obligation to ‘instruct’ their children”. Again, if you carefully read my final comments last time, I was clear to state that academic instruction is not something which parents are morally obliged to perform. The only moral duty a parent has with respect to instruction has to do with moral training ground in God.

        You then noted that unschooling parents typically help their children prepare for college. First, for those parents who do help their children prepare for college and/or adulthood, by any educational method, then they do not represent the type of unschooling to which I am opposed or to which I referred in the OP. Once again, note that I stated that the degree of unschooling with which I disagree is one in which the child is left to academically fend for himself. And my disagreement is not one predicated on any moral imperative, but on a subjective intuition that, in the area of academics, unschooling yields inferior results than actual instruction. I might be right and I might be wrong. Frankly, it’s not a statistic that really makes a difference to my position on homeschooling one way or the other. Unschooling is a personal decision parents should make, and I was clear to suggest that you certainly have the right to practice unschooling. I just personally would never opt for that method, nor would I ever encourage it. If you have a different opinion, then we can simply agree to disagree.

        Finally, you suggested I know too little about unschooling to offer a fair assessment. But how much does one have to know to rationally infer that a student who receives no academic instruction at all will learn less, academically, than a student who receives some academic instruction? Is it really unreasonable for one to intuit that a student who receives personal, one-on-one academic instruction will be better prepared for college than a student who receives no academic instruction at all? Before you answer those questions, take note that I used the degreed terms, “less” and “better”. In other words, I’m not suggesting that unschooled kids learn nothing at all, nor that they are not prepared for college at all. I’m only suggesting that personal instruction likely yields better results than no instruction. Sure, I could be wrong. But I don’t think so.

        FG

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  15. I can understand how you would understand Kristy’s comments to be defensive, and that you are not saying all unschoolers are unsuccessful. However, you are treating unschoolers the same way as those outside of homeschooling treat homeschoolers. It’s because you included unschooling as a “reason” for this student’s academic failure. Unschooling was not the reason for his failure, just as homeschooling was not the reason for his failure. Homeschooled students, public school students and unschooled students have all failed academically. Many times the reason is that the student failed to apply themselves, in spite of the efforts of the parents. This student failed because either he didn’t apply himself, or his parents did not provide the opportunities for learning. It wasn’t because of homeschooling or unschooling. In the future, please do not say the child failed because of unschooling, and limit the explanation to the reasons why he failed.

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    • Sherry,

      It’s not at all correct to suggest that I am treating unschoolers the way outsiders treat homeschooling. First, I repeatedly stated that there are degrees to unschooling, and there is only a specific form with which I disagree. Second, I was also clear to state that I support a parent’s right to unschool, even if it were to that degree with which I disagree.

      To clarify once again, the degree of unschooling which I would criticize can no longer be seriously referred to as an education “method”, since no educating is occurring at all. (I realize one might refer to ‘self-education’ as an education method, but I’m using the term “education” with respect to the parent’s involvement in educating his child. For those parents who are actually involved in educating their children, then, as I’ve repeatedly stated, my criticism does not apply to them.)

      With respect to the unschooled student in question, it was not I who treated his failure as the result of the broad, general category of unschooling. You wrote that the “student failed because either he didn’t apply himself, or his parents did not provide the opportunities for learning“. First, since the student desired and eventually did whatever was necessary to make it into college, I suspect his initial failure was not due to his own unwillingness to apply himself. Second, the student didn’t specify as to the degree of unschooling he received beyond describing it as failing to prepare him for college. It is this form of unschooling, in which the parents, as you described, fail to “provide the opportunities for learning” which I criticize.

      Finally, just because I personally would not unschool nor encourage others to unschool, that does not entail that I believe all unschoolers will fail. Can unschooling work? Sure, and I never suggested otherwise. What I did offer by way of conjecture was that, in general, personal academic instruction yields better academic results than no academic instruction at all. If I’m wrong, then I’m open to hearing reasons why.

      Thank you for visiting and for your comments.

      FG

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      • I have been wrestling with the terminology around home-based education for my PhD dissertation. I am feeling comfortable with a model that suggests we begin to use the term “home-based education” as the umbrella term, with three modes below it. At one extreme is what I am calling “home schooling” (and I define it as reproducing school in the home. With my definition, there are many who call themselves home schoolers, but who I would not place in that mode). In the centre is what I am calling “unschooling” (and by this I mean, education is being delivered in a way that does not resemble school, but may include formal elements in the education process). At the other extreme is the mode that I call “radical unschooling” (and by this I am defining it as totally child-led life experience, which I have a problem with, but would not attempt to stand in the way of if that is how a parent wants to raise their child. There are many who call themselves radical unschoolers, who I would define as unschoolers).

        I go on to describe a range of emphases within these three modes, which includes expressions such as natural learning, discipleship, family-friendly education, etc. I am interested in engaging others around this issue of terminology. Having terms tightly defined is a helpful exercise, and it clarifies grey areas, and prevents the setting up of straw men.

        Those interested in participating in such a discussion might want to check out my blog site: http://lanceaboxeducationresearch.wordpress.com/2014/08/07/defining-the-terms/

        I am interested in hearing any and every comment that may help us be clearer in our discussions with one another. If we are speaking the same language, it will make for better communication. 🙂

        Lance A Box

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  16. This topic has been well discussed, however this particular post is so well communicated, it also brought much laughter to me. It is just so true!

    And yes I can confirm “attending public school will in no way inoculate a person from encountering awkward situations in life.”
    Thank you for confirming and articulating points which I often have to explain to people I meet.

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  17. I grew up in the public school system. I grew up as an awkward, afraid-of-what-people-think kid who didn’t put forth the effort I should have in my schoolwork because I didn’t want to be seen as a nerd. Yep, public school “socialization”! My kids are more confident than I was at their age and they interact with all age levels, including their own age and they interact very well with them. It is such a blessing to see them have the freedom to be who they are with no fear of being laughed at! Thanks for sharing this! I am going to reblog this. Also, thanks for visiting my blog and for the like!

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  18. Thank your husband for me. Now if we can get some those friendly people over here to read this blog post that would be great. Some of things people think about us homeschool families is crazy.

    I often tell folks that I would like a little less socialization and more stay at home time ( :

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  19. You can figure that every time around the topic of home schooling is always going to work people up. My two boys weren’t really into socialization, I gave it my best effort during those early elementary years (Boy Scouts, little league, church groups, etc.), it wasn’t until their teen years that they were able open up to their peers. Being only a year apart probably had to do something with it, they would always say to each other, you are my brother and my friend. They really didn’t need anyone else to play with. Bottom line, you just have to wait until they feel ready, and I really don’t think it has to do anything with home schooling. Great article by the way.

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    • My mother was #9 out of 17 children. My grandmother used to tell her that she didn’t need outside friends because she had plenty of siblings with which to be friends. And you know what? Her best friends are still her sisters, and she’s done just fine. If your two boys are best friends, all the better.

      FG

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  21. Excellent article! Very thorough and well written. I especially like that you started with the caveat that some will not be convinced no matter what is said to them. So true. On the other hand, sometimes time and positive results convince where words fail. At least that was my experience.

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  22. Don’t know about the USA, but in Australia, most schools (state, private and so-called Christian schools) have been infiltrated by socialists of varying degrees. We are told that socialization is about helping children to get along with others, but in fact, it is the process of making socialists of them. This is the real reason we are told that you have to send children to school to be socialized, so that they can be indoctrinated, without interference from parents, into the tenets of national and international socialism. And many of the agents of indoctrination are the “useful idiots” that Lenin described – supporting the cause, without really knowing what it is that they are supporting.

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  24. Preach, brother. 🙂 When I worked at the public school system, the kids were NOT allowed to talk in the lunch room or in the halls. How, exactly, are they getting to socialize? My boys are always getting compliments on how polite and well-spoken they are. From people of all ages. For me, the proof is in their behavior. Naysayers usually come from a place of ignorance, and all we can do is keep showing them the real.

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  25. So glad I found your article. Validates everything we try to convey to other family members and friends about why we chose to homeschool. Our son is more social prepared, conscience, and considerate when he is out in the public compared to many of his “public school” cousins. He also takes the time to talk to older or elderly people whenever he encounters them. I see so many other kids in public school that care less about our older generations. Once again people choose to be ignorant and then try to convey that they know what’s best for others children.

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  28. I’m new to the idea of homeschooling, but I have to say that I’m a bit surprised at the harsh tone in response to the socialization issue. I’m guessing it’s pretty exhausting to respond to the worry that homeschooling impedes socialization. I appreciated your defense and I plan to use some of your points when I inevitably get those questions about socialization when I homeschool. I have to disagree with number four though (at least partially). I taught for ten years and saw many children who were better off in traditional school than if their parents were homeschooling. Some children were just neglected and reaching for any mentor they could find (and some didn’t even want an adult to mentor). I guess my point is that sometimes the environment more conducive to producing a mature adult is sadly an overcrowded public school. And that version of “mature adult” may not be the same definition you were envisioning. I thank the Lord that I have been blessed with the opportunity to start homeschooling my kiddos though.

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    • I’m glad you found some of the material helpful.

      When you suggest that “sometimes the environment more conducive to producing a mature adult is sadly an overcrowded public school,” I would say that’s the exception and not the rule; and even then I suspect that it’s not that the public school environment is really any good so much as it’s simply the lesser of two evils in a case where a child comes from a bad home. So while I agree that a particular child might do better in public school than at home, it’s generally still not a better environment for producing a mature adult than a caring home-schooled setting. Going to public school is kind of like going to Las Vegas: some people may leave Las Vegas having won a few dollars, but the vast majority would have been richer had they stayed home.

      Thank you for visiting and for your thoughtful comments.

      -fg

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